374. Submission as a Privilege

In the past week I have had four conversations with different people that seem to all sort of link back to a common theme.  While they were on various topics, the core of the discussion centered around the belief in “submission as a gift” and how that idea fails in a lot of situations.  I will likely rehash some things I have written in the past month but I promise there will be at least 20% new content 😛

The “submission as a gift” idea only really applies to M/f and it is a part of a set of dogmatic etiquette that serves to empower subs and keep them from being abused.  You can give it, you can take it away, and it should be appreciated.

There are two interesting contrasts to this idea:

  • In > 95% of cases, male subs cannot use this idea because they have no leverage.
  • Holding onto the idea that submission is a gift puts limits upon submissive growth potential.

There is a solution to this.  It is one that many male subs will have to adopt.  It is also one that people tend to adopt if they wish to push deeper in their submission.  This idea is submission is a privilege.

Submission is a privilege is how the power balance shifts completely to the dominant.  It removes entitlement from the sub.  With this idea, the sub does not feel entitled to submit, they should feel grateful, lucky, and privileged to submit.  This idea makes submission special.  It is something that has to be earned.  It takes work, dedication, and constant effort.

This, in turn, breeds pride in submission.  Your submission isn’t just there.  It is a honed skill.  It is something you took the time to develop and master.  It becomes something you are proud of.

The idea that submission is a privilege also breeds… deeper submission.  A dominant can revoke your privilege if you do not respect it.  This is the worst thing that can happen.  This makes the focus upon earning your privilege a constant and ongoing task.  If you relax, you may lose it.  The little bit of fear and anxiety that underlies this idea goes a long ways towards pushing a sub to be better, more devoted, and to submit deeper.  It helps evolve your form of submission and it is never static.

If you spend enough time under the idea that submission is a privilege, it begins to change your outlook.  This isn’t an overnight thing.  It is a gradual process that evolves as you evolve… or in some cases, the change in outlook forces the evolution of your submission. If you reach a point that is deep enough, another idea surfaces:  submission is its own reward.

Submission as its own reward can a rather intense impact upon the psyche.  Concepts like positive reinforcement fall by the wayside.  Submission becomes its own carrot.  The fact that you are allowed to submit is the goal of your submission itself.  This creates its own sense of fulfillment.  Even more powerful is the fact that it stops you from thinking that you deserve more.  Rewards start to seem silly and unnecessary.  Why should you require more than the privilege of submission itself?  Wanting more starts to feel selfish and thus, it pushes you to a state of contentment and fulfillment in what you have.  While the dominant may choose to give you rewards, it is their choice and not something you have any control or power over.

This state is what I think of as the submissive end game.  It is the state where you can merely exist within your submission and be fulfilled by it.  This is the state where it becomes difficult to say no.  This is the state where you can accept the most intense dynamics and decisions.

This is not a state that is meant for everyone.  Most will never reach it.  Many do not want to reach it.  The interesting thing about it is that the idea of submission as a gift prevents this state from being reached.

50 thoughts on “374. Submission as a Privilege

  1. I see submission as a gift…to an extent. I am submissive, but I am not submissive to everyone. I reserve the right to chose to whom I submit, and if that submission is undervalued or disrespected, I have the right to remove it. In that way, it is a gift. I feel that submissive men would agree with that also–none of you want/are willing to submit to everyone you meet, right? She has to fulfill certain criteria. Perhaps the men in question aren’t as “picky” or have as many requirements or expectations because there are so few Dominant women seeking submissive men, but I find it highly doubtful that many men would be willing to just submit randomly. So in that way, submission is a gift.

    However, I do feel it is also a privilege. I am incredibly fortunate to have a good, quality man who actually wants to protect me and keep me safe, who isn’t exploiting my submission to him, who wants to build a life together. I know that if I screw up, I may lose that. He may claim that he’s never going to leave, but people change, and I am always aware of the possibility.

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    1. Thank you, HH. I find it absolutely strange your interpretation of submission as a gift. I don’t find it wrong, I just never really consider that there are people who think that a sub is supposed to submit to everyone who considers themselves a dominant. With that in mind, I still don’t classify my choice of who I submit to as a gift.

      I guess I just don’t make the connection that not seeing submission as a gift automatically means it’s not a choice who I submit to.

      From a male point of view, it is harder to find someone who is willing to accept your submission and if we threatened to take it away they could simply kick us to the curb.

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      1. I’m not sure if men experience it the same way as women, since society seems to view men as naturally Dominant and women as naturally submissive. When I was on Fet the first time, my inbox was filled every day with men demanding I submit and if I didn’t, I wasn’t a “true” submissive, I was just a stuck-up bitch. *massive eyeroll* That’s when I started ascribing to the theory that submission is a gift. I have the right to decide to whom I give it. It can’t be demanded, it can’t be taken.

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        1. A quick question, HH, but did you start into all of this before or after FSOG became a mainstream success? I don’t seem to remember this being as big of an issue in earlier times… as in, doms that behaved that way got severely laughed at and ridiculed. People would take screen shots of that kind of thing and post them. It used to happen on mailing lists I was a part of in our local scene and it was quite comical to watch that dom leave the group after being publicly humiliated.

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        2. Before, but barely. Gods I hate FSOG. It’s an overrated sexualized Twilight fanfic. *grrrrrr* I’d go on but I’ll end up ranting for days about how awful it is. The writing isn’t even quality!

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        3. Something that FSOG did was launch about 30 million people into the kink pool that had no place being there. They didn’t study or learn shit. It formed a feeding frenzy and attracted a whole bunch of new wannabe sharks. I had guessed that many of them were part of it, but it sounds like you just ran into a bunch of douchey predators.

          If your experiences were limited to Fetlife, I can understand it too. In local scenes they would absolutely laugh off any dominant that tried that course of action.

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        4. That’s true too. While it did introduce people to link who wouldn’t have found it otherwise, it also taught them that abuse, stalking, and flagrant consent violations are normal and accepted. Ugh.

          They were all online, mostly through Fet. I haven’t gotten immersed in the local scene yet, mainly because I didn’t feel safe/didn’t have free time before HD and now there aren’t many munches held while he’s home. I’m sure things would have been different if I had been able to attend local events…but I wouldn’t have met HD, so. It worked out.

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        5. Local scenes are actually the safest. They are a hell of a lot scarier to enter than sitting behind a keyboard but they offer things that the internet doesn’t: Reputation, accountability, verifiable references, and the like.

          There have been a number of times where I have been in online groups and people guessed I was female due to my pfp or non-descript username (I wasn’t like, “uberdomkilla69”) and they just started in immediately with demands. I posted the question of “do people think this actually works?” on my old blog and received one response from a Domme-friend that would regularly venture into kik, camfrog, etc. She told me that when people do that, most subs comply. “Show me your tits.” “Jerk off for me on cam.” Apparently there are a bunch of idiots out there that actually do it, and it works frequently enough for people to think that is the best way to go about it.

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        6. That’s just…wow. I’ve always responded by explaining that while I am -a- submissive, I am not -their- submissive. It’s ridiculous how many men online think that any woman, regardless of role, will fulfill their fantasies for them.

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        7. Online… sub men do that too. Demand a Domme fulfill his fantasies for him. That being said, she was a Domme making demands of random subs of both genders and they just fell into line. “Take off your clothes, write ‘loser’ on your dick in permanent marker and send me a picture.”

          People who don’t have a lot of background experience can sometimes be easily convinced that this is the way things go.

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        8. Oh I know, I have had plenty of sub men send me messages, claiming they want to serve despite the fact that I am clearly NOT Dominant. Even telling me that subs can have slaves too, etc.

          Oh to be new and so naive! *snort*

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  2. I started reading this and automatically thought ‘hang on I need a cup of tea and a quite space to concentrate on this’ That is very hard to do around here especially on a weekend day. For some odd reason my kids think Sundays are the weeks first day of battle and it begins most weeks at half 6. Sigh. Anyway……
    Tea in hand. I really enjoy your point of view on this. I’ve only had the submission is a gift conversation with Mr D so I am limited to only his and my POV. Mr D sees submission as a gift but I struggle with that concept. I’ve always thought of it as a privlege. I feel lucky, that I’ve earned the right and I also feel somewhat anxious to be accepted as his sub. The anxious part is fear of losing that right. As you know I’m new to accepting myself as a sub but I am not new to being a submissive. I just spent years and years not really knowing what it was and not allowing myself to explore it either. Way before FSOG I had this desire, a longing to find and be taken under the wing of, fully accepted by and given the right to be who I am for that amazing powerful dominant man. I have always had that feeling that if I was just a good girl he’d find me and I’d be the lucky one. Reading this made me swoon a little. Lol. I’m very happy to read that what I feel isn’t just me being different. 😊

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    1. Thank you, CC.
      There is such a difference between M/f and F/m that it is probably a good thing that he sees your submission as a gift. With that in mind, you can always choose to still see it as a privilege. 🙂

      Once things get 1 year, 2 years, 5 years down the road the gift idea can end up really being a limiting factor in submission in the long run.

      Seeing it as a privilege now will definitely open up your submissive potential overall. The meaning behind the gift idea is actually to keep you safe and able to protect yourself if you need to, so I don’t think it’s an all bad thing to have in mind. I just think it can start to fade away once you have trust.

      Take care.

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      1. Thank you Fcsy. I do see why it’s considered a gift and the reasons and benefits behind that thinking. To me though the privilege far outweighs the gift. I’m going to journal this topic and revisit it in a few months. Perhaps I’ll blog about it then. I’m getting quite a list of thoughts I’d like to revisit a little further on in this journey. xx CC

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        1. Thank you, CC. What you are going to find is that the majority of the BDSM101 etiquette and rhetoric is all just protection mechanisms aimed at newbie women. That’s not to say that they aren’t good protections to have, it’s just that I will come across people who still cling to them completely 5 years in and it brings evolution to a standstill because they cut off a lot of the more extreme dynamics. e.g. CNC, TPE, RACK, Edge, etc.

          I did also skip a step in the process. Before submission can be a privilege, I tend to feel that submission is an offering (this is heavily skewed by being in the F/m arena). You put it out there and it is their choice to accept it.

          I have a feeling that you will be able to submit on a deep level. Do keep in mind that it is important to understand where your self stops and your space starts. How you view submission in your submissive mental space vs. your rational self are best kept separate. e.g. you should be able to analyze your in space feelings with a clear head. Something I have noticed in M/f is that a lot of people do not acknowledge the differences and it leads to a lot of confusion and suffering in the long run.

          Take care.

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        2. Thanks Fcsy. Very interesting thoughts. I think personally I know I don’t relate to the submission as a gift idea, that I’ve always seen it as a privilege, but I’ve never given it much thought. I just feel it so deeply, that it just is that way for me and as long as I understand that myself Im ok. I havent felt the need to dissect and evaluate it all. Just being actively present in my journey and accepting myself is enough for me. I found something I can totally relate to in your blog today though and that sits well with me. And I tend to agree that I will be able to submit on a deep level. I feel that somehow already. Just like I felt that I would be gone the moment I kneeled for Mr D the first time. I may not though and I won’t know until I’m further down the path. Something both he and I are curious to find out about me. And I totally understand the difference of and need for separation between where your self stops and space starts. This was highlighted to me last week. I knew I had to stop myself from thinking on or acting on what occurred in my sub mental space and wait for my mind to clear so I could sit back with some clarity on it all. I was very grateful both for recognising that need myself and for Mr D seeing that and understanding as well. Sorry Fcsy I’ve rambled on and on again. Lol xx CC

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        3. Thank you, CC.
          The big thing with knowing where your “self” stops and space start is an important idea. You discovered some of the pitfalls of it but there are others. A lot of people put too much emphasis on being “naturally submissive,” but then get confused when they struggle with submission. Submissive mental space is really what we are chasing and the state that we seek. Trying to make sense of it without having that in mind gets really difficult.

          I do think that seeing submission as a privilege does correlate with the depth of your baseline space. You will be able to let go.

          Take care.

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        4. Thanks Fcsy, as always you’re an amazing source of information and I love reading your perspective on all of this. I’m grateful to have met you in many ways already. I’m also happy I started blogging at the early stages of this journey. I think it’s helping me a lot. I have no real idea where my submission will eventually take me and that excites me and fuels this curious nature of mine. 😊 xx CC

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        5. Thank you, CC.
          I look forward to reading about your journey as it unfolds. It is very much a treat for me to follow someone “from the beginning.”

          Take care.

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        6. Aaawww that’s sweet. Mr D has mentioned that it’s interesting to him as well. I’m such an inquisitive person, and I have a very greedy curiosity so I constantly flood his inbox with my musings lol. Which I guess you’d of noticed from the emails between us too. 😁 I really am enjoying myself!!

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        7. I don’t think I’ll slow down for some time. 😁 And it’s nice to hear you say it’s quite rare. Mr D has told me that it’s rare to come across a sub like myself. Not really knowing what type of sub I truly am I a little unsure, it feels like a huge compliment so my ingrained insecurities start questioning that. Lol. The bloody things!! 😁😂

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        8. From my experiences most new subs are in a race to plant a flag announcing exactly what they are and going out of their way to prove they are authentic. They often pigeon-hole themselves into a specific point of view and cut themselves off from anything different. Open-mindedness is such a rarity.

          Experiences are really what you will need to figure it all out. Often the reality of certain things may differ greatly from the fantasy and anticipation of them. My gut tells me that you will start developing a thematic response, but you won’t really know for sure until it happens.

          This is the fun part of the learning curve and there is no need to rush it.

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  3. Hmmm. I can see that with some new subs I see on Fet groups sometimes. I think I’ve just always tired to take it day by day and I’m lucky to have found a Dom who is all about slow and steady with me as well. And I agree totally that experiences will be what helps me figure things out. I’m keeping my mind very open when it comes to experiences. I’m trying to head into them with no expectations. What I desire or think I want can prove to be the complete opposite in reality. I am not totally sure what you mean by developing a thematic response??

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    1. Hi CC.
      Thematic response is something that can happen over time where the thought of certain acts will turn you on but you feel like they shouldn’t. In these cases it is often the idea/theme behind the act that turns you on and not the act itself. It can be confusing sometimes when this happens. Like, I get turned on at the idea of being locked in chastity, which makes no sense at all until you look at the control/denial aspects of it and it is the theme that I am responding to more than the act.

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      1. Thanks Fcsy. That’s very interesting. I think I may have experienced this already prior to my sub awakening. Where I’ve been drawn to something that I find turns me on, very desirable but I’ve thought it wrong to feel like that. I guess maybe all of us have done throughout the years. Particularly if we are more at home in the BDSM lifestyle than the vanilla one.

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        1. There is a very good chance of it. Something that I have had to do over the years is look at my turn ons and evaluate them if they “make sense” within the context of the dynamics I desire. Basically, I have them split into things that directly benefit her and things that do not. The “does not” list often centers around a theme like control and I find that certain Dommes are drawn to that same theme and make them a good fit, while others do not respond in that way. I have no idea if this makes any sense 😀

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      1. That is so strange! Now, when I click on your Gravatar, it goes straight to your page and everything is there. However, when I searched for “furcissy” in my search engine in WordPress, which is how I usually find you if I haven’t seen a recent post, none of your April posts were there. So weird!

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        1. Try a sort by date instead of sort by relevance. My posts lately have been getting far fewer views/likes than they were two months ago. The relevance-based sorting prioritizes posts with lots of views/likes. The more recent posts are getting roughly half of the likes of older posts.

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        2. I’m still going but more in bursts. My “like” average is about 50% of what it was from 6 weeks ago while my views are only down 10-15%. I’m not sure how to interpret that except people are finding what I am writing to be less interesting.

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        3. Maybe, maybe not. It could also be that your followers that were more active then, are not as active on WordPress now. I’ve noticed a difference in who is actively following my posts (commenting, liking, etc.) over the past few months…

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        4. I have been too cloudy in my head to tell. In some ways it is probably more pure that I just write my thoughts. In other ways that makes it less useful to others. I’m really not sure.

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        5. Well, I know that I’ve found that the more I read the works of others and leave them comments, the more that they leave me comments. It may be less about what you are writing and more about how active you are in your interactions with others about their work. Just a thought.

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        6. I definitely have been slacking there. A lot of my interactions have shifted to emails and the like, but then there are cases like today where I wrote a fairly thorough comment and saw that they replied/liked every comment except for mine. That has happened a number of times lately and it saps my energy.

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        7. It’s hard to say. They may have just missed your comment. A while back, I noticed that sayyidsgirl was not responding to my comments. I didn’t say anything or ask her about it, but she was going through her posts and noticed that she had comments from me that she had never received notifications about…some strange glitch. It happens 🙂

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        8. Unfortunately with this person in particular, they have responded to recent comments but this is also the 3rd time that they have ignored mine as well. This has actually been a common occurrence for me over the blogging years. Sometimes people aren’t really wanting to engage in discussions. That will likely be the last time that I leave a comment there.

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